Oct 15, 2011

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Not A Fan | Chapter 2 Discussion

Not A Fan | Chapter 2 Discussion

Chapter 2 Decision or a Commitment?

Chapter 2 starts off with an example of exactly what the author is trying to get us to ask ourselves.  Nicodemus made decision that Jesus was from God but did not commit (initially) to Jesus because of the high cost of becoming a follower.  A couple of starter questions for Chapter 2:

  1. Have you made a decision for Jesus or have you committed to Jesus?
  2. Do you think that believing in Jesus is good enough to get you into Heaven or do you think that is where the journey begins? Why?
  3. Do you agree that most preachers today “Sell’ Jesus?  What are the dangers of this type of preaching?

 

(Let me know if a week for each Chapter is too long, too short, or just right.)

 

  1. wow, not the questions i thought u would b asking! let me 're think'. i'll start off saying that as i read this book..i am of course, taking it 'personally'..that is questioning and applying it to myself. but am also "reading" it as an 'observer', who is maybe new to the faith. chapter 2. things that stood out: nicodemus coming to Jesus at night. so what? its a start! (some say that the fear of GOD is the begining of wisdom. ie. if the fear of hell is gonna bring u closer to Jesus…so be it!) i also did not like the question "what did following Jesus cost you?" it sounds almost like the author is saying…."if your family wasn't massacred..or if you didn't walk away from a $200,000 a year job, or this or that type of tragedy didn't fall upon you….then you don't qualify as a follower! i know people who have had the "world" crap upon them….and i know people who have had the "world" be kinder to them,….and guess what……i don't know who is the better "follower". leave that up to God! however, i DO like things from this chapter. when he says, "He's looking to see how those words are lived out in your life". YES..actions speak louder than words!!! people will see a Christian before they hear a Christian. now back to the Q's u asked. #1.a personal question only subject and God knows. #2. if one truly believes and tries their best…perhaps yes. but lets not be misled by "fatalism"..that is, everything is predestined…so whatever happens..happens. OUT of LOVE…and NOT fear of PUNISHMENT one will try and change their life. Q3. don't know? have seen all kinds of preachers. hardcore, liberal, conservative, in the middle. whatever you relate to best i guess…as long as it is not misleading…..and who knows for sure???? a week long is good on my end. i get to read muiltiple times and reflect. again…still need spell check so others don't know how illiterate i am.

    • Eric,

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts . . . the questions I throw out there are to get the coversation moving, feel free to go with your own thoughts . . . no need to answer the questions if you don't want. I am working on the spell checker.

    • O Glorious Day!!! Spell Check has arrived!!!

  2. I was asked the following question today that pertains to question #2:

    "If Jesus died for all past, present, and future sins, aren't any sins we commit already paid for in full?"

    My answer to this was: yes, they have been paid in full for those that believe in Jesus, but those who know the truth and still turn away will perish. What do you all think?

    • Good answer (:

    • "He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury." – Romans 2:6-8

  3. Just believing Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins is not enough to you get in Heaven. Think about it, Satan and all the demons know and believe Jesus is the son of God but obviously they will not be entering the gates. It is the act of believing (making a decision) and then fully surrendering (committing) our lives to the Lord and allowing Him to work through us via His Holy Spirit.

    So to answer question #1 – I believe you need both decision and commitment.

    Now I have some follow on questions:

    What does fully surrendering your life to the Lord like?

    In your mind are you doing it what it takes?

    If not, what is holding you back?

    If you really believe what you say you believe shouldn't it be easy to let go of all worldy things that stand in your way of fully surrendering all of you to the Lord?

    If you knew Jesus was coming tomorrow, would you live differently?

  4. "If Jesus preached the same message minister's preach today, He would have never been crucified." – Leonard Ravenhill

  5. Question 1: I have made a commitment to follow the Lord wherever He leads. Do I falter in my commitment from time to time? Yep. Do I lean on Him to provide the strength, wisdom, and perseverance to push on despite my failures? Yes! I agree that it appears that making a decision for Christ and making a commitment to follow Him are two separate things. However, I don't necessarily think that it was ever our Lord's intention that they be separate decisions.

    Question 2: I personally don't think that genuine belief in Christ is any different whether you are looking at the belief of the thief on the cross or the belief of Paul the apostle. The thief was promised eternal life moments after His conversion without having had the opportunity to mature in His faith. While Paul had a miraculous transformation that produced an abundance of fruit over time. I believe that God knows what the intentions of our decision to believe are and whether that decision is genuine. The scriptures repeatedly make the connection between true belief and refelections of that belief in the way we choose to live our lives.

    1john 1:5-7

    5 "This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; and in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin."

    I have to believe that the thief on the cross, given the opportunity, would have had a life filled with fruit.

    So yes, I believe that by God's grace, genuine belief is enough to get us into heaven. But genuine belief will result in a change in our actions, feelings, motives, thoughts etc.. because He lives in us.

    Question 3: Yes,I believe that alot of preachers in America try to sell Jesus. I specify America, because a pastor in most other parts of the world, preaching a watered down, you'll have an awesome, carefree, prosperous life if you just beieve message, would be run out of town. In alot of cultures where the gospel message is being taught, there is extreme poverty and immediate consequences that come with just a confession of belief in Jesus Christ. However, in America the fluffed up version of the gospel message is what sells to our self absorbed, it's all about me culture. The extreme danger that comes with selling Jesus this way is that we rob the gospel of it's power to transform lives. In addition, by watering it down, picking and choosing the most pleasant passages and in large part ignoring the rest, we manufacture "believers" who can not stand. They are taught to expect health, wealth and prosperity and when that doesn't come, they think they've done something wrong. As a result, they get in danger of becoming discouraged and stagnat in their walk, or worse yet, bitter towards the faith. I certainly don't want to stand before God some day and explain to Him how I thought I was doing Him a favor by trying to make him more "likeable" to win people to Him. The fact is, when we do this (not just preachers, most of us have done it), we are not winning people to the one true God we are winning them to yet another idol god.

  6. I feel that I am committed to Jesus and every day is a test. I feel we are not just to say we believe but put our money where our mouth is and live our faith. As one fully understands what being Christian really means I think we see how hard it is. I thank God for my example of my father and husband that truly walked the walk. They weren't perfect as human beings but when it came to the Faith they truly stood out.

  7. I agree with Lauren. If you truly have Jesus in your heart & soul you can't help but do the right thing.In spite of ourselves

  8. and you are my example mother! you've been through the ringer and are still the same person with the same faith, remarkable!

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